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to big fossil fuel companies and the technology is here for us to be generating our own energy. >> john: when did anti-pollution become big business? >> when they decided to take tack ads designing energy solutions on their terms so that we find out all about why producing oil is a great thing for america because it is sponsored by exxon mobil, when really the best thing to do is to get off of our fossil fuel habit. >> john: the best thing for earth to do. >> absolutely. >> john: i even think when satan gets board he watches frank luntz for porn and i really think that when it comes to -- of all of the sinister talking points we have gotten used to, i think satan reaches his peak when we get to how the right-wing manages to demonize those fighting for clean air. but when it comes to the demonization of a clean ecology, and how we lost the word pollution, we lost the term poison, so i'm always indebted to the work you and others do for recalibrating the national psyche. >> in 2012 the largest fossil fuel producer on the planet is the united states. we're talking
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